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For camber rear kits, avoid parts with aftermarket ball-joints.

  • Posted: 05-07-2010 12:45 PM
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November, 2015 update: This article is growing old, and while the information here is valid and important still, we encourage you to visit our latest writing on this Ingalls vs SPC camber kit matter: Honda/Acura Ingalls vs SPC Rear-Camber Kit Debate: 2015 Update

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September, 2016 update: Announcing The New Ingalls 38727 Spherical Adjustable Camber & Toe Kit

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I had a customer in today, 05 TSX with some Tein Basics set at a 13.5″ height all around (measured from center of center cap to fender lips). The camber in the rear was corrected with an SPC camber kit, also sold under the CT or Comptech name.

 

Some of you know from reading our posts and such over the years that we recommend the Ingalls brand of camber kits for the rear on a TSX/TL/CL/Accord. And this post is to tell you why.

Because the arms mentioned, in addition to those sold by Megan Racing and Eibach, all replace the upper arm in the rear to an adjustable part. The rear upper arm that these kits replace on these cars contains a ball-joint to attach it to the rear hub carrier.

SPC rear camber arm, showing the ball-joint link.

SPC rear camber arm, showing the ball-joint link.

The problem with replacing the stock arm with an aftermarket one is that the stock ball-joints have really high quality rubber on the boots, and are deigned to work within a specific range of motion. Because aftermarket ball-joint boots are of inferior material, and are subjected to altered range of motion (when installed on a lowered car), the boots tend to become brittle and they brake after a while.

SPC rear camber arm after 60k miles and 4 years.

SPC rear camber arm after 60k miles and 4 years.

It is for this reason we will mostly recommend the Ingalls camber kit for these rear multi-link applications. The rear Ingalls kit is a set of 2 arms per side, which replace lower links in the suspension, 4 arms in total between the left rear and right rear.

Ingalls 38725 rear camber kit for the 1g Acura TSX/7g Accord/3g TL

Ingalls 38725 rear camber kit for the 1g Acura TSX/7g Accord/3g TL

 

  • There are many benefits of this kit over the ball-joint type kits mentioned above:
  • Camber has plenty of adjustment range.
  • The bottom of the wheel is pulled in, rather than pushing the top out (can give more fender clearance for lower offset wheel fitments or wider tires).
  • No ball joints mean they will last much longer than the other kits.
  • Easier access for the alignment shop to adjust
  • Easier to install, since ball-joints can be a bear to remove at times.

So, that is why Ingalls rear camber kits are the #1 recommended rear camber kit on rear multi-link Honda and Acuras. They are HT-Spec!

 

Don’t believe me? We had another customer in this afternoon for an Ultra Racing Rear Lower Brace test fit (works perfect with a CT exhaust BTW). This particular customer was running a set of Tein Super Street dampers and Ingalls 38725s on his ‘04 TSX with OVER 150,000 MILES!

Ingalls rear camber kit 38725/38720, after 150,000 miles

Ingalls rear camber kit 38725/38720, after 150,000 miles

Still in perfect condition!

In summation, replacing factory ball joints is undesirable, so if at all possible, go for the part that avoids doing so.


About the Author

Marcus di Sabella Marcus is the founder of Heeltoe Automotive. He's been working with cars (mostly Honda cars) since 1996, and has been providing enthusiasts with excellent products, services, and web experiences since 2002. He's been published in Honda Tuning, and holds a degree in Engineering Technology.
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6 Comments


 
Alan
04-25-2016 09:21 AM at 9:21 AM
Is it correct that the stock arms that the ingall's set is replacing has a bracket that holds the HID auto leveling sensors? Does the ingall's set have this bracket? If not, what do we do with the sensor since we have taken out the stock arms? Thanks!
Administrator Note:
Yes the stock arms on cars with leveling lamps does have a bracket for the sensor, but no, the Ingalls arms do not have them. In this sense, the SPC arms may be preferred. But, you might also need to adjust the sensor to compensate for the new arm positions after lowering.
 
04 tsx
04-14-2016 07:28 PM at 7:28 PM
Have an o4 tsx that just started xhewing up the rear inner tire on passenger side. The ball joint is torn I'm assuming this is the culprit? also is it possible to replace or up grade just tell bushings in the rear controlled arms. Car has the aspec suspension. I want to adjust camber from the top of the wheel is this a good choice to run with tien street advance or basics
Administrator Note:
The reason the tires are being worn is because the alignment is off, specifically the toe. You may also have worn shocks, so we might recommend some Koni replacements instead. But to answer your question, yes torn ball joint boots are a precursor to failure so they should be replaced. And no, you cannot just replace the bushings in the lower arms. You need whole new arms.
 
Question?
12-16-2015 10:20 PM at 10:20 PM
I have an 03 Honda accord, being told only driver side upper ball joints with arm and an lower ball joints t are wore should I still get both sides done?
Administrator Note:
We generally would recommend doing both sides, yes.
 
2004 Acura TL
10-18-2015 01:58 PM at 1:58 PM
I have a 2004 TL that is completely stock with 120,000 miles on it. This car eats the rear tires on the inside treads (only getting about 15,000 out of them, I did not rotate the tires, but it went from new tread to the belts showing on the rear inside edge in about 1 year.
I had it aligned twice. the rear camber is at -1.3 and -1.5 both times.
What arms do I need to buy to adjust that camber down to say around -.08 or so to get more life out of my tires? Running factory wheels and 235/45/17 tires
Administrator Note:
We might consider the rear shock absorbers as a possible contributing factor here. Keeping the rear shocks in good shape will prevent sagging and unwanted dynamic toe/camber changes that can cause the issues you are seeing. If you believe you need camber kits, we do suggest either products mentioned in this article, although we do lean to Ingalls.
 
2004 acura tsx
03-24-2015 08:13 PM at 8:13 PM
i have a 2004 acura tsx and i want to put new wheels on and they size for the wheels are 18*9 in the front and 18*10 in the back with the offset +35 and the size of the tires are 215/45/18 with nankang stretch tires please tell me what kind of camber kit i need either if its for the front or rear i just need help please !!!!
Administrator Note:
Hello, for the front you will not need to do much other than tuck the fender liner tabs up and run a little extra negative with our Skunk2 Camber Arms (sear part number 516-05-0004). For the rear, you will probably need some additional camber as well and depending on the tire some fender rolling, too. I would get an Ingalls camber kit (part number 38725) and try to get it to fit with that. The SPC kit (part number 67290) will work but unfortunately you might run out of room between the inside of the wheel and the damper tube. Use that one as a last resort.
 
Acura tax 04
03-02-2015 10:05 PM at 10:05 PM
Im lowered on megan racing coil overs and i want to go lower and put on a new set of wheels which are 18*9 for front and 18*9.5 in back what are the things i need to buy (camber setup) or anything else that i will need please reply asap
Administrator Note:
This is a hard question to answer because the wheel offset is not given, we don't know the tire size, and we don't know how low the car will end up. Fitting wheels is a lot of work with some trial and error involved. People do use things like camber kits to adjust camber, and mild body work such as rolling and pulling fenders out. What you need to do in your specific situation will vary. We are sorry we don't have the direct answer on what you need to buy, but once you have an idea of what you need to do (add camber, for example) you can let us know and we will get you the right parts.

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